يضايقنى ان تكون امرأه هى الشر الاخير
الامر مشابه للماجين بو تقريبا
كلاهما ظل فى ثبات لالاف السنين
طبعا شئ معتاد لا يوجد شئ مبتكر
-كيشي براجون بول فان كما قال اكثر من مره لهذا ليس الغريب ان يكون هناك شئ مشترك بين الشر الاخير في كلا القصتين
كيد بو افضل شرير شاهدته في كل الانميات التي شاهدتها شر خالص بكل ماتعني الكلمة من معني
انا ايضا تزعجني كونها إمراه ولكن من ناحية اخري هي افضل المتاح
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الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Emerald Favor
هذا الشي اللي ابغى اعرفه
لكن ساكرا قالت ان تشاكراها ستنتهي وتسونادى انتهت
مع ان البياكوغا للآن موجود , اظن يتعلق الامر بالعلاج !
ايضاً كاكاشي فقد نظره في تلك العين
كاكاشي لم يفقد كل بصره بل قال ان رؤيته ليست جيده فقط ,,,
روي البخاري عن شداد بن أوس رضي الله تعالى عنه عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال سيد الاستغفار: اللهم أنت ربي لا إله إلا أنت، خلقتني وأنا عبدك وأنا على عهدك ووعدك ما استطعت، أعوذ بك من شر ما صنعت، أبوء لك بنعمتك علي وأبوء بذنبي، فاغفر لي فإنه لا يغفر الذنوب إلا أنت
شرح بسيط مني لما سميت شارنقان ساسكي راننقان
و لما سميت شارنقان كاغويا شارنقان
<طبعا حقوق الملاحظه و الاكتشاف محفوظة لابو ماجد
<لذا هي راننقان مع شارنقان
و هنا عين كاغويا
حلقات كاغويا هي حلقات عادية تحمل الفواصل فليس من المنطقي ان يرسم كيشي حلقة واحده بها 9 فواصل كما سلف و تفضل بقولها بو مجوود
اما حلقات ساسكي حلقات عادية و بالاضافة لحلقات راننقان تماما كالجيوبي
I wrote this post about how BSM Naruto > Hashirama
I need your feed back.
BSM Naruto Vs Hashirama.
Why BSM Naruto is more than enough to defeat Hashirama?
or at least stronger than him, if we were to take the so called "advantage" and ignore everything else. Let's start with what I considered one of the most important, if not The most important thing in any battle, SPEED.
Speed:
Naruto is one of the fastest characters ever in this story. At first when he used his speed even though he did not realize that, or was not able to control it in a good way, he still managed to attack Kisame, and astonished who was there with him [][]. When he controlled his speed, and chakra, he was even able to outpaced A, the guy who was known to be the fastest shinobi alive [][]. The kid is so fast, that he managed to redirect 5 of TBBs at once that Kakashi mistaken him to Minato []. Notice that was his FIRST transformation with Kurama, which the latter stated that it was not perfect []. However, through out the War that changed and Naruto became better than how he was as stated by Kurama []. Notice, that this was only BM Naruto, NOT BSM Naruto who's logically faster than BM Naruto if we took what SM does in consideration.
Now, on the other hand the only thing is there for Hashirama's speed is this scan []. Which is wrong in so many levels. First of all, some people claims that, Hashirama being a head of the TBB means he is faster than it. However, that statement is wrong because Hashirama was ALREADY ahead of it, it's like saying that he is faster than madara because he started ahead of him! []. In addition to that, in that first scan, when Hashirama noticed that the TBB behind him, he just landed and summoned the gates. Summoning jutsu is S/T JUTSU, which obviously means it will be able to make it, the summoning speed is NOT the user's speed, so Hashirama is not as fast because his gates appeared fast.
The other thing, (even though I disagree with), but if we take what some people think about the Hokage's arrival to the battlefield, they think that the Hokages used their shunshin []. In that case, Hashirama's so called great speed is actually no different than that of Hiruzen's who only took 3 in the databook in term of speed. So, all that great speed in the eyes of Kishi, is not as great as what some people think.
lastly, throughout the Series, when was Hashirama EVER being braised for his speed? That's right, he has never been braised for such thing. Fighting madara is cool and all, but that does not mean they have equal ability in every single thing. Especially that their battle was about NINJUTSU, not SPEED. So, we can't really give madara's spped feats to Hashirama. If everyone fight against the other means they do have all of their ability or exactly equal, then Naruto would have been a master at genjutsu. Or for that matter Lee would have been able to use Ninjutsu, or Kakashi would have been as fast as guy, and just as powerful with taijutsu as him, but that is NOT the case.
So, by the evidence we have from the manga Naruto is MUCH faster than Hashirama. That gives him the ability to
dodge Hashirama's jutsus more effectively
Attacks with a higher chance to land his attacks than miss them
Being the first to make attacks, and perhaps even landing them at the start
Sage Mode.
SM is an amazing mode that increase a lot of thing to the user. That is why I'll cover more than just SM in the section. Let's start with SM sensing ability. Depending on one's ability, he might get or be able to sense the area around him. Naruto for example has such amazing sensing ability that he uses to sense the chakra around him, and use it in his fights as well. Naruto at the the first time used his SM he was able to sense the people in Konoha, and thus knowing what happened to kakashi []. He also was able to sense Nagato's location after that by striking himself with the black rods, and other feats. If we focused on his greatest sensing feats, one of them would be when he was able to sense all people in the War [], and when he was able to locate the black orbs on the Bijuus [][]. ِand since this is BSM Naruto, he also showed that he can sense people hatred so to speak, which exceeds any sensor [][]. That's beside his ability to sense the Hokages from countries away []. He also can use those sensing abilities in his fights to know and dodge his foes attacks [][][].
On the other hand, Hashirama has not shown any feat whatsoever for sensing with his SM. The only "hint" for him is what Tobirama said that he is better than him at sensing [].
So, what we get from that is the fact that Naruto is better than Hashirama by far in term of sensing as well. He can even sense and attack people as fast as JJ obito, and dodge and counter attack the raikage. In addition to that, we know that even if Hashirama used his ability to hid inside his woods, Naruto will be able to know about him just like How he knew about the zetsus. Therefore, Hashirama won't be able to do any surprise attacks on Naruto.
Second thing that SM gives to the user is durability and strength. First, if we were to look at Naruto's abilities in that regard, he is simply one of the best if not the best. Naruto's body was strong enough to not even be scratch from the rocks when he fell down []. And Even when Nagato attacked him with the black rod, Naruto's body was strong enough to endure that [], or even destroy the black rod with his own hand []. On the other hand, Hashirama's SM, which does not have a lot of Senjutsu chakra [], and that's a reason to why he is lacking in that regard as well, madara was able to put 6 (4 on some panels) black rods on him and control him easily* []. Even Sasuke was able to cut through madara's body easily with his sword without even using lightning to make it stronger []. So, once again, Naruto's SM even without being strengthen by BM is still better than Hashirama's.
* One may argue and say "Are you trying to compare Nagato's black rods to madara's?"
while that might be a reasonable response in the first look, but once you look at it a little deeper, it's not. It's true that Madara is stronger than Nagato, but so is Hashirama much stronger than Pain Arc SM Naruto. The thing is, Naruto was able to resist someone's chakra who was stronger than him (Nagato), but Hashirama was not able to do so to someone who's on the same level or a little bit stronger than him.
The kid is so talented that he can use SM with his clones []. Unlike Hashirama who cannot do such thing [][][]. ِAlso, the kid is overwhelming with talent than he can control the chakra around him and use it to make his punch at a higher rang []. He has so much physical power that he can throw Boss Summons as if they were nothing [] and even Kurama himself []. His taijutsu is so strong than its effect can be even from the inside to the out side of a Bijuu's body []. Not to mention how he kicked Deva Path twice and sent him flying with both times.
On the other hand, we have not seen this level of taijutsu from Hashirama. Again, Notice that this is SM Naruto's feat WITHOUT his BM which obviously makes his abilities much stronger. Speaking of BM, he also has access to Chakra Arms which gives him more chances to his his foe even of the latter somehow dodged him [].
TO SUM THINGS UP SO FAR.
Naruto has a superior speed, sensing, Taijutsu, senjutsu, and durability than that of Hashirama. The odds of Hashirama being able to dodge Naruto who's far faster than him via his lacking sensing abilities according to Tobirama is really slum. However, even IF that by a miracles happened, Naruto's ability to control the natural energy around him and his chakra arms will guarantee him landing his attacks successfully on Hashirama since the latter either wont know about it, or he won't get the chance to dodge that beside Naruto.
Knowledge and tricks.
Some people focus on "Raw Power" So much that they do not pay attention to other factors they may change the outcome of the fight. Naruto in his fights showed a lot of tricks that always worked for him. Examples of these would be, when he turned himself to be like a shurekin, so he can free kakashi from Zabuza, when he turned himself to Akamaru and fooled Kiba. When he made the hole and clone to fool Neji...etc
you can see him thinking out of the box in a lmost all of his fights like with Kakuzu, Pain, and obito..etc
On the other hand, we have not really seen anything like that from Hashirama, his fights are pretty much straight forward battles, and he (from what we have seen) rely on raw power. However, the only trick I can think of that he did is fooling madara with his wooden clone. Even though that won't work with Naruto because of his sensing abilities.
That's pretty much my view on them. I don't know if I missed some details or thing here or there!
For this point, even though Naruto wouldn't probably use them in a fight, but since I'm talking about his full power which includes his summoning jutsu, I'll take them in consideration. first of all, Naruto can use any and all the frogs, which they are pretty much those []. With Gamakichi being as big as the others obviously. Now, each of the frogs is as big as a Bijuu [][]. Which is just as big, if not bigger that Hashirama's wooden Human, who is also as tall as Kurama []. So, it's like fighting 4 of those at the same time. Also, The frogs do have such a strong attacks that is comparable to the Shukaku's, and they can destroy what is in their path, such as the wood [][][]. Notice each one of Gamabunta's attacks was as strong as 2 of Shukaku's attacks.
In addition to that, the size of the frogs is actually more than enough to roll over the wood and destroy it by only moving [][]. While Hashi's wood jutsus, in term of size it only comparably to the Human's size [][]. So, the frogs will be really good to counter those type of Hashirama's jutsu, especially that they do have jutsus like. Oil, Fire, Wind, Water...etc
so even the Pollen jutsu won't be good because Shima can simply use her wind jutsu to take that away.
Now remember that those are their feats WITHOUT any power up, when we do know that Naruto can make them like at least 3X stronger than how they really are [][]. So, all of their jutsus are going to be stronger than the normal.
Frog Song.
I have to put this by itself. First of all, Hashirama does not have any counter for the genjutsu as far as we know, and no, being Hashirama does not mean crap. If this jutsu landed, only the user who can give the order to free the victim or not [][]. So, it's a one shot move. However, obviously, the other side will say "It will take a lot of time" and all that things, which is cool and fine, but they always overlook that Naruto's chakra makes absorption of SM MUCH faster as was stated here []. Therefore, it will NOT take Ma & Pa that much time to use it, especially if Hashirama is fighting Naruto and the other frogs, they will have the time to use it. Hashirama does not know anything about this jutsu, so he won't be able to guess what are they doing, even Jiraiya and Nagato did not know about this jutsu, so there is no way Hashirama would. The moment they use their genjutsu, it's all over.
Chakra.
Well, this shouldn't take this long we have a direct comparison between the two of them. We have seen Hashirama stated the chakra BM Naruto HAD SHARED is comparable to his []. Obviously, Hashirama is referring to Naruto by saying "He, His, has". Of course, some Hashirama's fanboys deny that and try to play around with it. However, even if we ignored Viz translation for those kind of fanboys, let's take a look at this debate
First I asked talk about the translation of that page, which he answered
الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة takl
hash: amazing that he has his chakra (already) passed to everyone of shinobi!(= amazing that he had passed his chakra to everyon of shinobi beforehand!)
he competes with me in volume of chakra. (=The amount of his chakra rivals that of mine.)
hash: ! nay! this is along with 9bs chakra (=it contains 9bs chakra along with narutos) ...
Then I asked him
May you tell if in the Japanese text Hashi's words meant to be taken
like if his chakra >/= Naruto, Minato and Kurama's all together
or
is he talking about the chakra that Naruto gave to the others only?
Then Glutamminajr kindly claimed his opinion
^
I think that Hashirama was talking about the amount of chakra that Naruto passed to the others and - based on that - he thought that it was Naruto's chakra alone that was comparable with his.Then he noticed Kurama's chakra mixed with Naruto's one, but frankly I don't know if this can be translated as Naruto's overall chakra + Kurama's overall chakra = Hashirama's overall chakra.
Btw I'd like takl's comment too on this
Which takl agreed with by saying
i agree with Glutamminajr
in the second line hashs speaking in terms of quantity based on the fact that everyone has naruto's chakra (with kulamas) that was handed over before the edo hokages + yin kulama got to the field as said in the first line... hm, i guess i better use 'beforehand' instead of 'already' to make it clear.
and its not like hash saw how much chakra naruto (/naruto and kulama) has in total.
the comment just means hash also has a sufficient amount of chakra to give away to everyone of the allies at there. i doubt hes handy enough to pull the chakra conversion trick naruto and minato do tho. and thats why he's surprised to see kulamas chakra in it. kulamas chakra was supposed to be harmful to humans, u know.
Now, I don't not about you, but I'd rather talk what a worthy translator as takl said, than some randoms fanboys.
So, based on that, I think it's only logical that BSM Naruto has more chakra than Hashirama.
Summing Up, 2.
BSM Naruto has more chakra, he also can have several boss summons to help him with their huge arsenal. The Pa & Ma have Frog Song which is a one shot jutsu that Hashirama can do nothing about it. In addition to that, Naruto has been shown to think out side the box and he was praised to be #1 in that regard, so the possibility that he will trick Hashirama is still there, not necessarily work, but he can do it.
Jutsus.
Perhaps, this is the strongest point that some people hold against Naruto. First of all, I think we can all agree that the host of a Bijuu is stronger than the Bijuu itself as was stated [], the same thing was stated by Deidara as well. Now, some people act as if defeating Kurama is like walk in the park for Hashirama, when Hashirama stated that Kurama's power is too great [], and Mito actually had to help him []. Although that was not shown on panel.
Although the wood jutsus can be hard to deal with, but that does not mean they are impossible to deal with. As a matter of fact we have already seen an exhausted base Naruto's clone destroy one of Hashirama's jutsu []. And although, Naruto has some terrible with the wooden Dragon the first time he faced it, but at the end of the day he was able to destroy it with his speed only, let alone a jutsu []. and we saw that once again against the wooden dragon when Naruto easily destroyed it []. So, with knowledge, and the experience he has with those jutsus, overcome them won't be as easy as the first time. Not to mention that we have seen those jutsus get destroyed by a SMALL TBB as well [][]. Therefore, Naruto has really so many ways to destroy those jutsus.
Now, someone may say "Well, That is full Kurama, not only 50%" even though that may be true, but it's irrelevant to Naruto's ability. The TBB that Kurama used is only as big as its mouth, when we saw Naruto used much bigger TBB than that like what he did against the 5 Bijuus, or the Juubi which the TBB was bigger than the beast itself.
Another argument might be that the Wooden Human can catch Naruto's jutsus like FRS, COFRS and the others. However, that claim is wrong in so many levels. First of all, It's true that the Wooden Human is able to catch a sword, but how is he going to catch the wind? I know some people avoid using common sense, but even in that case, it was actually stated in the manga as such []. Thus, the FRS or the other version of it is going to cut through the wood easily because it simply cannot be caught.
let's take what happened in chapter 673 as an EXAMPLE. We saw the lava FRS cut through the entire Tree. Now, some may say "the lava FRS IS MUCH stronger than BSM Naruto's FRS" Well, that's cool story and all, but so is the Tree is MUCH stronger than all of Hashirama's jutsus, the point is, Naruto will not need a FRS as big or anything, since Hashi's Buddha is even smaller than V2 Juubi, let alone the Tree which is MUCH bigger than that.
Now, let's take a look at how FRS cut through a lot of things in case some people forget about its cutting ability. The first time Naruto started to learn how to throw it
[], then after a while we saw what happened to those hills if you will []. He then even showed that he can make his FRS much bigger, and it still has the ability to cut through and erase everything on contract [][][]. That's beside cutting through mountains [][]. Notice from the second photo that its explosion was as big as half the area that the CT destroyed, which is bigger than several mountains []. The CT size is actually comparable to Hashirama's Buddha []. Notice in the CT scan, the hole is as big as around 4-6 mountains you can see it under it, and about the same with Hashi's Buddha including the arms, as you can see the mountains their as well. Now, all that was the normal FRS, which Naruto showed he is able to use much bigger one [][]. Notice that is with SM ALONE.
Naruto can use not only SM, but combine it with BM which makes his jutsus much stronger obviously. As a matter of fact it was so strong that his normal rasengans can destroy Hagoromo's shield (and sword?) [][], which were hype to heavens [][]. Also, notice that Naruto can use his rasengans by his tails [][]. Now, obviously, Naruto can replace his friends with his clones [] and instead of making normal Rasengans, he can use COFRS instead, which obviously be much more powerful.
Just imagine 9 COFRS from 9 clones in his tails, while Naruto can also use at least 5 TBB from where he is, in Kurama's head []. Even if the Buddha attacked him in the process, his durability should be enough to endure them like he did to the Juubi's TBB [] even WITHOUT combining SM with his BM.
Another important point is the fact that the wood has not been shown to be that durable, even the Tree, which I guess even Hashirama's fanboys would agree (I may be wrong though, and perhaps they won't agree)that is a higher level than Hashi's jutsus was cut several times without much of terrible [][][][][][][]. Even if looked at those who have much weaker wood jutsus, the wood was being easily destroyed [][][]. So, I see no reason to why should I think that Naruto won't be able to do so!
I won't bring every single statement about those two, but what I think is the most important to highlight.
First of all, let's start with Hashi's statement that he is weaker than obito []. Of course, fanboys were so fast to claim that his statement to be taken as if he is the strongest on the battlefield from the good guys. However, is that true? No.
The first reason is actually funny because those fanboys themselves discredits the statement that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because according to them, the ignorance of Hashi's power from the other characters. Now, why don't they use the same logic here? At least in the first example Hashirama was dead, so knowing about his ability, a guy from the past, is perfectly fine, just like how any of us know about characters excited before us. However, the opposite is NOT true, Hashirama was dead, so he cannot possibly know about any other characters came after him and how powerful they are.
The second reason, which is the more important one actually is the fact that kishi has proven their assumptions to be WRONG. The fact that Gai was on the battlefield discredit/destroy their claims since Gai is way out of Hashirama's level, he's just that much more powerful than Hashirama. Thus, if kishi wanted "The most powerful" one to state that he is weaker, he wouldn't have chosen Hashirama, but rather he would have chosen Gai who was the most powerful one on the battlefield per obito (even though the only reason to that is because of obito's regeneration as a the JJ).
Second of all, what is used to think that Hashirama is "portrayed" to be more powerful than BSM Naruto is this statement/s [].
The key word is "surpass" some people think that just because Sasuke [who was weaker than Naruto] was weaker than madara [who is stronger than Hashirama] means that Naruto was also stronger than Hashirama!!
Now, notice that Oro DID say Sasuke will surpass madara one day, which indicates that Sasuke was indeed weaker than madara when that statement was made. HOWEVER, Tobirama did NOT say the same thing, so their is NO portrayed to Hashirama to be superior to Naruto at that point to begin with.
If kishi intended to show Naruto as inferior to Hashirama at that point, he would have made Tobirama state the same thing Oro said which is "Naruto will surpass my big brother one day" Or something along those lines. The FACT, that he didn't does not indicate that Hashirama is stronger, but pretty much the opposite. Naruto was portrayed to be stronger than Hashirama at that point, and that's why it wouldn't have made sense if Tobirama states that Naruto will surpass Hashirama, when he was already stronger than him to begin with!
شرح بسيط مني لما سميت شارنقان ساسكي راننقان
و لما سميت شارنقان كاغويا شارنقان
<طبعا حقوق الملاحظه و الاكتشاف محفوظة لابو ماجد
<لذا هي راننقان مع شارنقان
و هنا عين كاغويا
حلقات كاغويا هي حلقات عادية تحمل الفواصل فليس من المنطقي ان يرسم كيشي حلقة واحده بها 9 فواصل كما سلف و تفضل بقولها بو مجوود
اما حلقات ساسكي حلقات عادية و بالاضافة لحلقات راننقان تماما كالجيوبي
بما أن هناك إشكالية من الرسم نفسه، فلا يمكنك أن تأتي هكذا و تفرض من الرسم أبو العلّة
ماذا لو عين كاغويا لها حلقات أخرى تميل لخلف العين .. العين كروية كما تعلم .. ؟
ما علينا سوى انتظار التوضيح من الفصول القريبة و الآتية...
بما أن هناك إشكالية من الرسم نفسه، فلا يمكنك أن تأتي هكذا و تفرض من الرسم أبو العلّة
ماذا لو عين كاغويا لها حلقات أخرى تميل لخلف العين .. العين كروية كما تعلم .. ؟
ما علينا سوى انتظار التوضيح من الفصول القريبة و الآتية...
I won't bring every single statement about those two, but what I think is the most important to highlight.
First of all, let's start with Hashi's statement that he is weaker than obito []. Of course, fanboys were so fast to claim that his statement to be taken as if he is the strongest on the battlefield from the good guys. However, is that true? No.
The first reason is actually funny because those fanboys themselves discredits the statement that Hiruzen is stronger than Hashirama because according to them, the ignorance of Hashi's power from the other characters. Now, why don't they use the same logic here? At least in the first example Hashirama was dead, so knowing about his ability, a guy from the past, is perfectly fine, just like how any of us know about characters excited before us. However, the opposite is NOT true, Hashirama was dead, so he cannot possibly know about any other characters came after him and how powerful they are.
The second reason, which is the more important one actually is the fact that kishi has proven their assumptions to be WRONG. The fact that Gai was on the battlefield discredit/destroy their claims since Gai is way out of Hashirama's level, he's just that much more powerful than Hashirama. Thus, if kishi wanted "The most powerful" one to state that he is weaker, he wouldn't have chosen Hashirama, but rather he would have chosen Gai who was the most powerful one on the battlefield per obito (even though the only reason to that is because of obito's regeneration as a the JJ).
Second of all, what is used to think that Hashirama is "portrayed" to be more powerful than BSM Naruto is this statement/s [].
The key word is "surpass" some people think that just because Sasuke [who was weaker than Naruto] was weaker than madara [who is stronger than Hashirama] means that Naruto was also stronger than Hashirama!!
Now, notice that Oro DID say Sasuke will surpass madara one day, which indicates that Sasuke was indeed weaker than madara when that statement was made. HOWEVER, Tobirama did NOT say the same thing, so their is NO portrayed to Hashirama to be superior to Naruto at that point to begin with.
If kishi intended to show Naruto as inferior to Hashirama at that point, he would have made Tobirama state the same thing Oro said which is "Naruto will surpass my big brother one day" Or something along those lines. The FACT, that he didn't does not indicate that Hashirama is stronger, but pretty much the opposite. Naruto was portrayed to be stronger than Hashirama at that point, and that's why it wouldn't have made sense if Tobirama states that Naruto will surpass Hashirama, when he was already stronger than him to begin with!
كنت عارف ان ساكورا ماراحت عبث
وان كيشي قام بعذر سخيف لعدم ذهاب تسونادى على ان تشاكراها انتهت
بينما ساكورا فعلت الدبل*4 ولم تنتهي وبقي القليل
ولم تجعلها تفيده بل جعلها تذهب لتبقى مع اوبيتو في ذلك البعد
على الاقل سيكون السبب مهم جداً
لول, ما توقعت أن أحد سيقتنع إلا أن يكون من محبي ناروتو على الأقل
أما بالنسبة لميناتو. فهو تقريبا يمتلك نفس قوة ناروتو + تقنيات زمانية و أختام
لهذا أراه متفوق عليه, لكن على أي حال, سوف أنتظر إلا أن تظهر تقنيته تلك
و التي أتوقع أن تكون أقوى تقنية يمتلكها
مايسترو
كنت كاتب ذاك الرد لأرد به في مُنتدى أجنبي, لهذا أضطررت أن أستخدم الإنجليزية
خصوصا أن العرب ممكن يعرفون الإنجليزية, لكن الأجانب مافيه أمل يعرفون العربية
الرسالة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة 1 The Clever
يضايقنى ان تكون امرأه هى الشر الاخير
اضافة رد مع اقتباس
أظن تكتب هكذا naruto's fan أو naruto fans 
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